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20 Subscriber Days D®ead Lo®d (42755)
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Posted on 03/13 02:57
Increase the cap on goods prices, or un-cap them!
GC is currently valued anywhere from 1,200 - 1,500 realistically.
Packpoints are currently valued at 30m+
Subbydays are easily valued at 10m+
Artisan materials Timber (25m+) Iron bars (2m+)

Just a suggestion, shouldn't take much effort to implement either. It would help cut down on Trading Forum spam in which I have to take a good part in order to help drive prices at targeted values, if anyone has any other considerations to this proposal please don't hesitate to add to this thread! Mech Crusaders has a fairly open ended system in which valuations are un-capped, I would just like to see the same on the markets implemented in to this game.
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678 Subscriber Days Morinehtar (30764)
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Posted on 03/14 04:51
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Uncapping all the Markets would be a very worthwhile thing to do.
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Launcelot Tussaud (24737)
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Posted on 03/22 02:01
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would be good thing
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56 Subscriber Days Gekko (76892)
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Posted on 03/22 04:13
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The Markets have ceased to function, because of the price cap. Uncapping will bring the Markets back into play.
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Posted on 03/22 06:02
Another explanation...
The markets have ceased to function because there are so few players still left in the game, and because the realistic demand for GC is much lower that the rate at which it is being generated by the players. I personally collect between 15-20,000 more GC's in the forest every day than I need to pay off my miners. I am injecting this much spare GC every day into the market, and I expect most senior players are in the same position. The remaining active players in KON are not very active in the market, either because they are not interested in trading, or they are not rich enough to trade in significant quantities.

If this explanation is correct, then uncapping the markets will make it theoretically possible to trade at higher prices, but it will nonetheless not lead to significantly higher volumes of trade.

A couple of questions for Dread:

1. You claim that the "realistic" price for GC's is between 1,200 and 1,500. What makes you think this is so?

2. I recall your offer of 2,500/GCc in the Trade board. How many GC's did you sell at that price?
56 Subscriber Days Gekko (76892)
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Posted on 03/22 23:09
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I agree with Dan din. The game is mature, and silver is cheap. It's called inflation, the value of silver has dropped. Alliance war machines have become the primary value. I believe silver needs to be devalued in the Markets.
519 Subscriber Days ]KøË[ Wanda Lusst (53886)
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Posted on 04/25 13:56
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mirroring the real world the markets in KoN reflect that the wealthiest 2% generally do not sell they just acquire and hoard increasing the cap just increases their worth and devalues the worth of others, how ? if I have all the worlds diamonds they become extremely precious to everyone else as the cost to others spirals ever upward they are less able to acquire my diamonds, but I can continue to acquire any new diamonds found at a discounted price since I can buy entire lots, further increasing my value in diamonds and wealth. this works with everything and is really why the wealthy are reluctant to pay fair wages as this would devalue their dollars as the dollar values of everyone else climbs and others are able to compete for goods

678 Subscriber Days Morinehtar (30764)
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Posted on 04/25 23:22
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]KøË{ Wanda Lusst (53886) says:
mirroring the real world ...


Yes, absolutely.

But if there is no need for "Diamonds" and no market for them ... what do you do with them? Once they start building up, what do you do? Start collecting them, and try too get more than anyone else.

For those who need "stuff", I think there is a real need to use trading boards more. Eg - if you're after Iron and Bronze to upgrade equipment, I'm sure that many Nobles would help - by selling their surplus cheaply, or simply giving you what you need.

Your wages comment ... being self employed ... my wife and I take home more $$$ than any of our staff - but we earn less per hour than any of them (those working full time) ... even the one whose on the minimum wage. (Those people who are at the bottom of the wage scale are generally the ones who have wasted numerous opportunities to improve themselves and their lives.)
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1 Subscriber Days ¤[Broly]¤ (38174)
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Posted on 04/27 17:37
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"For those who need "stuff", I think there is a real need to use trading boards more. Eg - if you're after Iron and Bronze to upgrade equipment, I'm sure that many Nobles would help - by selling their surplus cheaply, or simply giving you what you need."

.....what's the point of the market again? Like Dandin said, there are few active players left so the use of the trading board isn't needed.

If I am understanding this correctly, the only ones that will be either hurt or benefit from this are the wealthier players.

Reason? Let's take Dandin, Morinehtar, and myself for that matter.

1.) Dandin posts GC for 5,000 silver per. I cannot afford this but Morinehtar can.
2.) Dandin posts GC for 300 silver per. Moreinhtar will probably be the first to get it, making him and/or Dandin richer, (or another higher level) and I will still be stuck poor.

I have nothing to gain or lose from this because I don't use the market. What's the point when I can just wait 10 years like everyone else and just rack up my own wealth and levels until I can enter the market game. By that time, everyone else will be level 500 or the game will cease to exist. Besides, the poor players probably have alliances to help them out.

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678 Subscriber Days Morinehtar (30764)
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Posted on 04/28 03:16
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This does mirror “real life” - the rich get richer and the poor remain poor.
Though the poor have (or have had and rejected) every opportunity to move ahead ... with the odd exception.

You’ve said “what’s the point” a couple of times, and that “the use of the trading board isn’t needed”. If you’ve already got what you need, and there's no one else who would benefit from you help, then your 100% right - there’s no point on trading in the market.

Your comparison above assumes that neither Dandin nor I know that you want Gold Coins. If we knew you wanted them, then we’d likely help you get what you needed – why? - because we want to see Nobles grow and advance. (As do other most Nobles.)

Comparing yourself with Dandin and I, may not be all that accurate: Dandin’s earnt over 150 billion NP, I’ve earnt over 100 billion and you’ve earnt less than 100 million ... we’re a factor of at least 1000 apart.

If some external governing body comes in and “levels the playing field” for everyone, so that the Markets “have a point” for everyone, regardless of their “position” within the game ... then we’re getting very Socialist ... we're in Tonbury not Muriburiland.

Personally, I’d like all the markets “uncapped”. But our King has the right to set the market conditions as he believes is best – even if, distracted by his Ladies in waiting, he decides to maintain the status quo.

04/28 03:26: Edited by Morinehtar (30764)
http://youtu.be/nN8kVlUIxSs

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1 Subscriber Days ¤[Broly]¤ (38174)
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Posted on 04/28 14:05
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Before anyone reads this, this is not an "angry" tone. Keep that in mind. I am not personally attacking ANYONE, at all.

When I asked what was the point of the market I am referring to having players use the trade board as opposed to the market. I am, in this particular case, standing up for the market. There are not enough low level active players to beg. If you're "real life" mirror logic is correct, then I should be able to go knock on a wealthy persons door and ask for money or whatever I need. You're assuming everyone in life will be as generous as you claim to be.


My above example with you and Dandin assumes that the high level players do not want to lose their status in the game (assuming you play this game to get to the top and not be a charity case). My comparison of myself to both of you is perfect here. I am comparing a poor player to wealthier players.

I never once asked for a level playing field. This game has become one sided for the patient high level players. After all, you've reached your rank in 4.89 years. I am now working may way up there along with everyone else. If this has not become one sided then please take a look at the majority of everyone's rank that has posted in this thread. Besides myself and Launcelot Tussaud (24737) the others are higher ranking.

As you put it....
"Though the poor have (or have had and rejected) every opportunity to move ahead ..."

Launcelot Tussaud (24737) and I have turned down every chance to succeed like you.

Anyway, as I failed to say in the previous post of mine, uncap the market! woot woot!


04/28 14:06: Edited by ¤[Broly]¤ (38174)
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519 Subscriber Days ]KøË[ Wanda Lusst (53886)
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Posted on 05/25 02:13
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lower level players still have a very difficult time progressing because of the slow graduated process of levelling(themselves, their knights, mining, etc. etc.) and acquiring wealth while trying to attain more attacks, and the costs associated with such, the game (thank you Ben) has improved in this regard with the healing costs removal update, but it is nonetheless a slow tedious procedure that requires a certain persistency not present in a large percentage of todays population, this proves too much for all but the most persistent the alliance is most critical for them (low level players ) as a source of already improved weapons and armor. it is hard to adapt to a feudal life but that is the best way for low level players to advance donating all they have to the alliance (their royal family) and getting all their needs met by the alliance. when you reach a point where you own ally our own fully improved weapons and armor you basically become a lord and start acquiring wealth going from a feudal subject to capitalistic subject and YOUR need to remain in the alliance falls off , however this is when you become most critical to your alliance, if it is to continue to grow. this is when we hit the markets now. when we, as low level player, had to pay for our healing we had to retain some of our gathered resources to sell at market to meet this need .

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